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Wednesday, March 28, 2007

Women's Ordination...

Here is an essay by Frederica Matthewes-Green expressing an Orthodox perspective on the ordination of women.
The words that jumped out of the essay for me were these:
"I don’t mind if Protestant denominations want to ordain women. Many times, this just means allowing them to do things Orthodox women have always done."
I am intrigued by one thing in the conversation that has been taking place in LMC regarding this issue. It seems that we have leaped over a more fundamental theological issue in the conversation. That is, what is the theological significance of ordination? Since the word is not used in the New Testament, what sources are we drawing from to guide our thinking on what the meaning of ordination is? I have heard the pragmatic answers, but I have yet to hear a deeper engagement with Scripture and Tradition.
At the LMC Leadership Assembly, time was spent considering what missional authority might look like. A question for me is this--what is the relationship between missional authority and ordination. I would assume that one could have missional authority without being ordained. What then is the authority that comes with ordination and how is it distinct from missional authority?

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35 Comments:

  • At 2:57 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Two interesting stories about MCUSA's response to the Lancaster Menn. Conference vote are at:

    http://www.mennoweekly.org/APRIL/04-02-07/ORDAIN04-02.html?AID=/20070312/NEWS01/703120346

    and

    http://www.mennoniteusa.org/news/news/jan-march07/03_26_07.htm

     
  • At 11:24 AM , Blogger Ted M. Gossard said...

    Brian, I really wonder about this too. It seems to me our ordination of people amounts to a recognition and blessing of what God's gifting to them and the service they are to do with that gifting. We've added plenty to it which goes beyond the New Testament witness.

    Maybe it's just the church taking on the idea of blessing someone in a responsible manner which helps keep the emphasis on the truth that it's about the work of the church in living out the kingdom of God in Jesus.

     
  • At 11:25 AM , Blogger Ted M. Gossard said...

    But I do wonder about what all is involved in this, both written and unwritten. For example one's education, what that education really amounts to, etc. Probably I'm adding too much to the stew here.

     
  • At 12:10 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I don't know if Ted will come back to this, but I too have those questions and appreciate his asking them!
    dml

     
  • At 4:35 AM , Anonymous phil said...

    Hello Brian, the discussion reminds of J.H.Yoder's challenging approach to the issue of ordination in 'The Fullness of Christ'. I think there are two issues that are raised by 'women's ordination': the first is women's leadership and the second is the nature and validity of ordination itself. I've blogged a lot about this so I won't go into detail but I'm very much in favour of the former and rather against the latter. Whenever we opt for ordination as a way of setting apart leadership clericalism isn't far behind. I can think of few sadder moments than the first time Clement of Rome use 'laity' to describe non-ministers.

     
  • At 5:07 PM , Blogger Rational νεόφυτος said...

    So much for Paul's first letter to Timothy. "That's an optional part of the Bible"

     
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